These are very cute dentist sayings with a knockdown stitch upfront. If you dont want the knockdown stitch, because you are stitching on a flat towel without pile then omit that color sequence by forward to the next color in the design file. These are apx 10K without knockdown and 18K with knockdown. The knockdown creates a canvas of stitching per say to hold the pile of the towel down. These are sized for a 4×4 hoop.